Thanks Garrett. I knew you'd get it right eventually! I knew they went a lot slower but couldn't tell how slow. The road races don't look fast on TV (compared to an oval track) but I know it's fast in real life. The only thing I can relate it to is the local tracks. When they show them on the local news it looks slow but sure looks fast when you're in the bleachers. There's going to be a lot of heartbroken Dale fans when he's mathematically eliminated. Here's my next question. When they were interviewing Boris Said I noticed he looks pretty big. Isn't that a big (no pun intended) disadvantage since weight is so important with the cars? Oh yea, I see former football coach Jimmy Johnson is going to be on Survivor. Does he still own a NASCAR car? if so, who's the driver?