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Hi Roth, welcome to HNet. You've made it to the right place . Do you watch Dukes in English, or is it dubbed into Dutch?

Well done for spotting the Duke Farm, Roth, it's only on-screen for a few seconds. It's very hard to spot locations in the movie as most of the scenes are at night. I'm sure that the "Autohenge" picture (the one with the stacked buses) shows the Boar's Nest covered with even more hubcaps than usual. When Chevy and Demi are running away, the explosion briefly illuminates the rocks behind it. I agree that I saw no sign of the building exploding, just some barrels. The long shots of the bridge and the mansion clearly use mattes to make the location seem more remote and barren. The road they drive along just before they reach the mansion for the first time looks familiar from Dukes (especially with an old Dodge Monaco on it).

Io non so parlare italiano. (except when I cheat with Google Translate )

Hi Melissa, welcome to HNet. I believe you guys just call the show 'Hazzard', but your theme music is really catchy ('La Ballata di Bo e Luke'). I think that i1976 is the only Italian member who's on here regularly, but there may be others.

You really can learn something new every day . Well spotted Roth and welcome to HNet.

I have to say that I'm a little disappointed with 13th. Ricky started the race poorly, and was down in 41st place for a while, but he came back for some strong top ten running. It's a shame that he got the pitlane speeding penalty, but he came back well. I haven't always been a fan of restrictor plate racing, even 'Dega, with its two-by-two format (see my comments from last year). The aerodynamic changes they've made this year made for much better racing, and I was on the edge of my seat for virtually the whole time after the restart following the rain delay - just my opinion as Garrett would say . Just to prove my earlier post wrong, I took this screengrab after the restart; Little did I realize that I'd be posting this one at the end: I think my buttermilk's going to accompanied by a large slice of humble pie tonight .

I thought about, but it's not such a rarity. I wish I'd moved quicker when Ricky was leading . It may be an old joke, but I liked it when the commentator (sorry, not sure which one) described Ricky and Danica's relationship as "speed dating" .

It doesn't happen often, so I thought Roger might like the moment captured for posterity .

Boss handed over $10,000 for $100,000 of stolen TV sets in 'Road Pirates' (which he never received). There was "a whole truckload of recreation equipment" in 'Return of the Ridge Raiders', but it didn't go into detail - there could have been a TV in there.

I missed the first eight laps, but I don't think I missed much action. After moaning about the paint scheme changes yesterday, I think Jeff Gordon's car is easier to spot than usual. Scott Speed's car looks almost all red from the side - coupled with his number, it's getting close to Lightning McQueen .

Robby and co. watch a NASCAR race on TV in 'Cale Yarborough Comes to Hazzard', but he's in hospital at the time.

Do you remember how confused Uncle Jesse looked when he was given a food processor in 'Welcome Back, Bo 'n' Luke'? I don't think the Dukes were into gadgets and modern technology.

I bet Roger would be wondering what had happened to David Ragan too . David Ragan's car is already shown on that page - what they forgot to say was that Danica's driving the #34 in the Nationwide race (if you look carefully there are differences between the car outlines). I only discovered the truth when I found this page: Danica Patrick to run in Talladega Nationwide race

I'm not sure why that didn't work for you. It shows up for me on IE, Firefox and Chrome (both in my post and the quoted bit of your reply). Here's a link to the NASCAR page where I found it, along with a few of the other cars: Paint scheme preview: Talladega

I'm not 100% sure, but I don't remember the Dukes having a TV set. I've looked through my screengrabs, and there isn't one visible in any of the Duke Farm interior shots that I have.

You cut that close, Garrett - I was about half and hour away from posting the starting lineup myself . It looks like several of the cars will have quite different paint schemes for tomorrow's race. Here's Jeff Gordon's: Personally, I wish they wouldn't change them so much and so often, but I guess the teams are more likely to listen to their sponsors than me .

It's probably about time I added the cars from the second TV movie. I didn't spot any Hazzard patrol cars in 'Hazzard in Hollywood' as most of the action takes place in ... wait for it ... Hollywood. We're now under Enos's jurisdiction, and the man himself drives an unmarked Chevrolet Caprice. The skirted rear wheel wells mean that it must be a 1991/92 model. We never get a good look at the black and whites at the liquor store hold-up. In reality, they're only likely to be Chevy Caprices or Ford Crown Vics, and the door handles/locks on the visible one are wrong for a Crown Vic. Combined with the open rear wheel well, this would seem to narrow it down to a 1993 or later Caprice. The lightbars look like the familiar AeroDynic ones we're used to. During the chase toward the end, the General drives through several movie sets. One of the movies being filmed involves these two patrol cars. The front end of the one on right is clearly a Chevy Caprice, but we don't get to see any more of it. My guess would be that they reused one of the liquor store hold-up cars, which would make it a '93 or later model. Here's a better view of the patrol car on the left. The lights identify it as a 1993 or later Ford Crown Vic. I think that concludes the list of patrol cars that appeared in the TV series and TV movies, unless anyone remembers one I've missed.

It depends whether you think they were deliberately breaking the rules, or just testing the boundaries. Taken from the British TV show 'QI', here's three examples of people spotting loopholes in the rules and exploiting them. The rules were changed later, but at the time these were all legal: 1) In 1771 cricketer Thomas White invented a bat that was wider than the wicket. He noticed that there were no rules defining how big a bat could be, so he turned up with a huge one in a match between Chertsey and Hambledon which today would be Surrey v Hampshire. In 1774 a new law was brought in limiting the width of cricket bats to 4.5 inches. 2) Other sportsmen have also exploited the rules. One was American footballer Lester Hayes, who played for the Oakland Raiders. He was defensive player of the year during the late 1970s, but this was due to the fact he covered his hands and gloves in an adhesive called Stickum. Hayes said: "Without Stickum I couldn't catch a cold in Antarctica." 3) A further example of actual sporting cheating with regards to exploiting the rules came from the 1951 St Louis Browns baseball team, who brought in a 3'7" tall player called Eddie Gaedel out to bat. He crouched over the plate, and thus the strike zone the pitcher had to hit was one-and-a-half inches high. The pitcher could not get anywhere near it so he pitched four balls, after which he walked to first base and was subbed. As I said previously, I'm used to F1 where they have very well defined rules, but also very clever designers who try to read between the lines. Do you think the punishment is right, or should it increased/decreased? Just because I'm always right, I don't want to discourage you from posting your opinions .

So that's what NASCAR are doing - trying to prevent competition - now it all makes sense . You want my opinion? I think NASCAR have shot themselves in the foot over this one. I've had a really hard time just finding out exactly what Penske did wrong (most sources just list the obscure code numbers of the rules they're supposed to have broken). To me it looks like the Penske team thought they'd found a loophole or gray area in the rules and chanced their arm a little. NASCAR, wanting to assert their authority, have come down hard with a disproportionate penalty (my view and the view of the vast majority of posts I've read online). They've now put themselves in a no-win situation: if the penalty sticks, a lot of people will think they overreacted (as usual, conspiracy theories abound!); if the penalty get reduced, every future penalty will be open to question and challenge. All this while they're turning a blind eye to drivers physically attacking each other. I'm not denying that Penske broke the rules, or saying they shouldn't be punished, just that the penalty was too much. How about a simple rule: turn up with an illegal car and you don't get to race that weekend. That way it's all over and done with and people can move on to the next race. If a car is found to be illegal after the race, wipe any points scored that weekend. Maybe you'll consider my views biased. In F1 it's usual for teams to innovate and constantly bring new parts to races. It's quite often the other teams that challenge the legality of new parts, and then it's up to the governing body to make a ruling. You have to remember that the illegal Penske cars didn't even race - it's not like they won a load of races before the infringements were discovered. However much you love NASCAR, you have to accept that they're not always right. As far as the NASCAR website goes, I still find it much harder to navigate than the old one (even though it works fine in Firefox). One time when I visited last week there was only one lead story, but it still kept scrolling across the screen. Last year I could go to the homepage on race day and instantly see a weather report and any other late-breaking news along with a countdown to the start. There were clear links to the lap-by-lap feed and the leaderboard, and everything used less space so I could get more drivers/info on-screen at once. They're certainly not the only people who've ruined their website with an "improvement". Photobucket is now far less usable than it used to be, and they keep screwing it up in new ways. Failblog had a major makeover last year, and have now made subsequent changes to make it nearly as good as it used to be! We must congratulate Mufn for upgrading HNet without taking a step backwards.

I read the first two or three dozen comments under the story in that link - every single one implied that NASCAR is losing the plot and its audience. The one that really made me smile was the suggestion that the only thing worse than NASCAR's penalties was their new website .

players The Ohio Players were a funk/R&B band who had most of their hits in the '70s (Funky Worm, Fire, Love Rollercoaster etc.). I don't want to make you jealous, but the only radio show I listen to regularly is hosted by a guy who used to date Sade in the '80s.

music Brandy the drink is a distilled wine, and is often drunk after dinner. Brandy the singer's last name is Norwood, but she doesn't use it in her stage name. I never had you down as an R & B fan, Roger. Maybe you're just live Raj in 'The Big Bang Theory': "Ah, one name. Like, uh, Cher, Madonna, Adele. All the women who rock me."

brandy I know the story of St. Bernard mountain rescue dogs carrying brandy barrels is apocryphal, but I still think of the two together .

I thought JPM was unlucky not to get his first oval win last night. He stayed out of trouble and looked strong until that late caution. Not quite sure what happened to Ricky last night. I think he pitted early near the start of the race, and never got back near the top 10. He seemed to be dueling with the #24 for quite a bit of the race. Garrett, I know you weren't happy about Tony Stewart spinning out Jimmie, but he did take the blame straight away and ask his team to apologize. I'm afraid I missed the Stewart/Busch incident. The G-W-C meant that the race finished really late, and I turned it off as soon as the checkered flag fell.

A bit of both if I'm honest . I remember him racing and I remember the crash. I double-checked the years and I couldn't remember what had eventually happened to the team boss and chief engineer. Incidentally, talking of punishments, there's been a high-profile story in the news on my side of the Atlantic this week. In a top-level soccer match last weekend, one of the players bit an opponent on the arm. The match officials missed the incident, but it was caught on camera. His club fined him an undisclosed amount of money and the governing body have banned him for ten matches (which goes into next season). The fine is unlikely to matter much as he earns over $150k/week, but it's been a major talking point over here. I think NASCAR needs to take a serious look at driver discipline as well as minor technical infringements.